I need a Plymoth or Dodge engine for a 1961 jalopy build.
It had a 361 CI Plymoth engine.
I guess any Mopar wedge engine would work for this project.
Willing to purchase or trade something.
Also interested in a resin engine if anyone makes one.
Bob
would any of these work....
http://www.b-n-lresins.com/shoppingopencart/Aftermarket-resin-cast-1-24-1-25-scale-model-engines-Ford-Diesel-Mopar-Oldsmobile-Toyota-Honda/Aftermarket-resin-cast-1-24-1-25-scale-hobby-model-Mopar-engine-Dodge-Chrysler-HEMI-Plymouth-Jeep
PM coming.
Bob, I have a 58 plymouth engine from the AMT kit if you could use that one, its a B motor or one of the Lindberg 383's. give me a PM.
I'm a little confused, are you building a jalopy that is a '61 vintage, but raced later, or are you building a jalopy that needs an engine that was available in '61? The engine in the '58 Plymouth kit is accurate for a 273 cu. in. Or a 318 cu. in. Early Plymouth V8.
Olderndirt
The engine in the AMT 58 plymouth fury is a 350 cube Golden Commando v8 and was of the "B" engine family. The 273 was the "LA" engine and came about in 1964. I'll say you're confused.
I'm not confused yet.
You have a PM
Bob
As I recall, the B engines were all big blocks starting with the 350 and the 361 in 1958 (350/361/383/400). The LA engines that came along afterwards starting with the 273 in late 1964/early 65 were all small blocks (273/318/340/360). Incidentally, the old A engines that they introduced back in 1956 or so were the ones that morphed into the LA lineup. LA actually stood for "Light A" because they were so much lighter in weight.
I was a Chevy man and I ran against too many of these motors to not know them!! When money changed hands I wanted to know what I was up against! Ahhh, the good ole days!!
I think the engine I was thinking of was 277 cu. in. Instead of 273. I think it was the smaller version of the pre-LA 318. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out.
Olderndirt
Here's a picture of the car I want to build.
It's raced in 1960 and 1961 at Port Royal speedway in Pa.
Homer Smith Plymouth driven by Pete Swarmer.
(https://images12.fotki.com/v1226/photos/4/3814514/14357717/HomerSmith4-th.jpg) (https://public.fotki.com/Bob-P/pete-swarmer-hauler/homer-smith-4.html)Hosted on Fotki (https://www.fotki.com)
Bob
What is that right behind the front wheel?
Looks like a steering box from something huge with a pitman arm about 2 foot long. Think this guy was searching for some quick steering? If it is a truck box, I bet it was slow as molasses in winter so the long arm was a must! A racer does what he gotta do.
It is the steering box.
Bob
The old modified I worked on as a kid used a Crosley rearend for a cowl mount steering box. Pretty much anything that might work could have been used. Crosley's were in short supply in the sixties, so some guys used the rearend out of a golf cart.
Olderndirt
After looking at the '34 Plymouth coupe in the picture, I suspect the engine is a Buick not a Plymouth. The exhaust spacing doesn't look right. Buick is the only V8 I can think of with a 2 and 2 exhaust spacing, and that engine definitely has that spacing. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will let me know.
Olderndirt
Dont forget about the 59-65 413 OND, it had that spacing.
It is definitely a Plymouth engine.
The car owner was a Plymouth dealer.
I ask the drivers son, on Facebook, what cubic inch engine they were running.
Waiting for an answer.
Bob
Well, the 413 Mopar exhaust port layout was 1-2-1 not 2-2. So, I'm still calling it a Buick.
Olderndirt
O.k. Its egg on my face again. Instead of the forward most pipe being hidden by the steering, and front wheel, the rear pipe is below the number sticking out through the body. So, the configuration is 1-2-1, instead of 2-2.
Olderndirt
Scrambled or over easy? I'll serve it up any way you like.
I usually just put my little lump of plastic that kind of looks like an engine under the hood and keep movin'. I haven't really counted a rivet in years! Ha!
I am with David. I don't know one engine from another. But I have seen stacks and headers bent all sorts of ways. And photos are sometimes misleading.
This is starting to sound like you guys are building models of imported toys, rather than models of existing race cars. I don't agree with the rivet counters, but I can't see how a "model car" with a lump of plastic under the hood, can even be called a model.
Olderndirt
I'm not sure what is causing the confusion on this old race car.
I will post another picture of the car. It has one exhaust header right behind the steering box, two in the middle and one through the front of the body.
(https://images12.fotki.com/v1226/photos/4/3814514/14357717/HomerSmith4-th.jpg) (https://public.fotki.com/Bob-P/pete-swarmer-hauler/homer-smith-4.html)Hosted on Fotki (https://www.fotki.com)
Below is a picture of a 383 Plymouth engine.
The exhaust spacing looks the same as the race car to me.
(https://images15.fotki.com/v1669/photos/4/3814514/14357717/Dodge383-th.jpg) (https://public.fotki.com/Bob-P/pete-swarmer-hauler/dodge-383.html)Hosted on Fotki (https://www.fotki.com)
Quote from: Olderndirt on September 26, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
This is starting to sound like you guys are building models of imported toys, rather than models of existing race cars. I don't agree with the rivet counters, but I can't see how a "model car" with a lump of plastic under the hood, can even be called a model.
Olderndirt
Why is that, OND? I don't think that your definition of "model" necessarily fits with another person's definition of same. It is still a "model" of something, whether it has an engine or not. You must be familiar with the term "shelf model", yes? It is by definition, a model of a vehicle. It is not required to have a certain amount of detail to be considered a legitimate model, in my opinion.
To be considered a model is not determined by the amount, or level of detail. If it does have an engine, but no wiring or plumbing, is it still a legitimate model? If I build a model of the Millennium Falcon, but I leave out the hyper drive unit, is it not still a model of the Millennium Falcon? If I build a model of a WWII aircraft, such as the Supermarine Spitfire, with no engine (which I have done more than once), is that not OK?
I think many of us would still like to see a model you have built. That is not a challenge, OND. It is just nice to see what other builders have done, engine, or no engine. Build on, everybody! And build whatever you want.
Yeah, sorry Bob. I didn't mean to hijack your topic. I hope you get the engine figured out.
Could it be a 318? (1960)
No problem guys. Thanks everyone for trying to help find an engine.
It looks like this engine request turned into a big discussion.
No big deal, I learned a lot about the Mopar engines from this post.
I have three engines coming in the mail.
I worked out a trade with Leftrurns75 and I'm getting an engine from John2 also.
Now I can build several Mopar powered race cars.
Bob
Bob if your information source confirms that IS a 413, one thats not too bad is in the AMT 49 Mercury kit. If you dont have one of those let me know and I can send you one of them.
Maybe that engine is a Plymouth 326 poly. They were pretty hot for their day. My grandparents had a '60 Dodge with a 318 poly in it, that was hot enough to light up the tires even after it was nearly worn out. The 326 Plymouth was said to be a lot hotter.
Olderndirt
I just found out from the drivers son what engine was in the number 4.
At the beginning of the season It was a 413 with one four barrel carb , later in the season it was changed to ram induction.
Bob