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Tom Birky

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Dirt Late Model>>Paint and decals on! 10/02/21 page 4
« on: February 09, 2018, 10:53:42 PM »
Started a dirt late model based on an AMT Nascar chassis. This will be a 'curbside' build. Hood probably isn't going to come off and it will be as technically incorrect underneath as can be, but I'm going for the look of a current dirt late model without the pain of scratchbuilding a complete tube chassis. To simplify things, I'm starting with the nascar chassis. I'm going to use all of the stock suspension mounting points to get it up on the wheels quickly and pretty much square with the world. This isn't the 'only' way to build, but thought some may like to follow along. I've combined quite a few techniques I've seen on our forums over the last few years and added one or two of my own.
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I started with a vacuform body from Ron Coon. Since the body is 1/24th scale, and I want to build 1/25, I cut the nose off and the sides off. I'm going to fab my own deck, this will allow me to make it a little narrower to get it to scale. The new deck sinks a bit in the middle, then slightly up to the rear. The deck and tapered filler pieces are made from .030 sheet styrene.
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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 11:03:49 PM »
I'm going to make my own front spindles. This is going to make the front wheels poseable, they'll be tight and square and very strong to allow lots of handling. I start with the drill bits and plastic rod and tube shown below. The 1/16th and .080 are solid rod and you'll need a drill bit for each. The 1/8" and 5/32" is tubing.

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Start by drilling a 1/16th hole in the lower A arm where the kit spindle would go, then repeat for the upper A arms. We'll run the 1/16th rod (.062") through them for the spindle pin.  The upper a arms are glued to the frame, including the tubular part where it just contacts the edge of the frame. Since it's a curbside, I don't care that the spindle is touching the frame there, I'm going for strength. Glue the lower a arms in also and run the bit through the align the holes.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 11:14:27 PM »
Now to make the spindles. I wrecked a couple till I got the hang of it. Start by taking a length of 1/8" tubing and drilling a .080" hole in it. Then cutting a longer than needed piece of .080 rod, super glue it into the hole. After it's set up, drill the hole in the tubing out with your 1/16" bit so the spindle rod will slide through.

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With the A arms already glued in place, now I carefully cut the spindle down till it just fits between. Sanding a little off of the top or bottom to center it. I aim for the center, but you could raise or lower the front end by making your spindle longer or shorter on the ends.

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The last thing is to take a short piece of the 5/32" tubing. I slightly notch one side then slide a short piece on over the axle stub so it butts up to the spindle. A bit of glue on it makes the axle to spindle joint very strong. Using PPP wheels, I drill the axle holes all the way through with the .080" bit. The wheels will slide on very tight, but still removeable.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 11:26:04 PM »
Now, to get the chassis up on 4 wheels. I always feel I have a better chance of finishing a car if I get it up on the wheels as soon as possible so it starts to look like something. I'm super gluing a Ron Coon Resins quick change axle to the kit trailing arms. Leaving the center part free on the tube for now until I get everything set side to side. Now for the fun part! I cut the kit chassis off right behind the rear coil spring mounts. I'm going to use the kit springs during the build process for strength and to set the ride height. They'll be replace with coil over springs later. Next I trim up all the unused stuff on the chassis with my little side cutters.

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Up on 4 wheels! I mocked up the 3D nose and fuel cell from Dwight at Custom Dirt Cars. Looking racy!

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 11:36:00 PM »
My next order of business is to shorten the wheelbase. The kit chassis measures out almost 109". Dirt late models run a 103" to 105" wheelbase. I cut the front chassis stub off right in front of the floor pan and removed about 3/16" I think. The cool thing about these chassis is how easy they are to shorten. By trimming the little jack nubs off the side of the frame, the floor pan sits perfectly flat on the bench minus the rear suspension. I took a little off the front stub on each side and slide it up to the floor pan. The front cross member that runs under the oil pan will sit perfectly flat on the bench as well. This makes it easy to level and glue it back together. Some liquid glue and a small piece of plastic glued on each side gives it lots of strength.

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After a little test fitting of the body, I needed a little piece of square stock glued to the top of the rear frame to bring it up to the correct height. Then I drilled 2 holes for the rear frame stub. The rear frame will be made from 1/16" rod. Glue in two lengths and eyeball them to make sure they're level with each other. I left them long for now.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 11:44:02 PM »
I glued little spacers temporarily to the bottom of the frame to get the body lined up where I wanted it. Then I fabricated a front firewall. Technically wrong, but I wanted it to keep the body centered and locked in on the frame. The firewall glues right to the front of the floor pan. Then I glued strips of flat plastic to the bottom of the body, one in front and one behind the firewall. This will hold the body securely where I want it. I glued a similar strip to the bottom of the body where the rear of the frame touches it to keep it centered.

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Everything locked down. With the body secure front to back and side to side, I cut my little spacer blocks off the bottom of the chassis.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2018, 06:45:51 AM »
Interesting WIP build...

IF Revell gets around to re-issuing the old ASA kits, would those frames work for the DLM and IMCA Modifieds?

Big Donkey has an IMCA style modified body to go with the also incorrect old MPC modifieds...have thought about getting one someday just for the heck of it.....
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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2018, 08:43:46 AM »
Interesting WIP build...

IF Revell gets around to re-issuing the old ASA kits, would those frames work for the DLM and IMCA Modifieds?

Big Donkey has an IMCA style modified body to go with the also incorrect old MPC modifieds...have thought about getting one someday just for the heck of it.....
  Ron Coon also has a IMCA modified body that one day I'll get,but have 2 long term projects going now and 2 to follow

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2018, 08:44:53 AM »
and as usual Tom,your work blows me away!

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 01:16:27 PM »
Looking awesome, Tom. That chassis work is phenominal.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2018, 01:21:44 PM »
Very interesting build Tom, I'm watching and learning. I can't wait to see this one finished.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2018, 06:43:27 PM »
I'm working on it. The nose is giving me some trouble. I'm  going to give it another go tonite perhaps.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2018, 08:42:37 AM »
That's coming along nice Tom. A lot of work in this one already. Keep us posted on the progress.

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 09:46:17 AM »
lookin good Tom!love the work you put into these!

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Re: Dirt Late Model
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 08:33:03 PM »
So cool, thanks for showing the details so far.......the end build will be sweet
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