Engine needed

[Lefturns75]

Dont forget about the 59-65 413 OND, it had that spacing.

[Bob P.]

It is definitely a Plymouth engine.
The car owner was a Plymouth dealer.
I ask the drivers son, on Facebook, what cubic inch engine they were running.
Waiting for an answer.

Bob

[Olderndirt]

Well, the 413 Mopar exhaust port layout was 1-2-1 not 2-2. So, I'm still calling it a Buick.

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[Olderndirt]

O.k. Its egg on my face again. Instead of the forward most pipe being hidden by the steering, and front wheel, the rear pipe is below the number sticking out through the body. So, the configuration is 1-2-1, instead of 2-2.

Olderndirt

[Lefturns75]

Scrambled or over easy?  I'll serve it up any way you like. 

[David Bogard]

I usually just put my little lump of plastic that kind of looks like an engine under the hood and keep movin'. I haven't really counted a rivet in years! Ha!

[john2]

I am with David.  I don't know one engine from another.  But I have seen stacks and headers bent all sorts of ways.  And photos are sometimes misleading.

[Olderndirt]

This is starting to sound like you guys are building models of imported toys, rather than models of existing race cars. I don't agree with the rivet counters, but I can't see how a "model car" with a lump of plastic under the hood, can even be called a model.

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[Bob P.]

I'm not sure what is causing the confusion on this old race car.

I will post another picture of the car. It has one exhaust header right behind the steering box, two in the middle and one through the front of the body.

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Below is a picture of a 383 Plymouth engine.
The exhaust spacing looks the same as the race car to me.

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[Marty W]

This is starting to sound like you guys are building models of imported toys, rather than models of existing race cars. I don't agree with the rivet counters, but I can't see how a "model car" with a lump of plastic under the hood, can even be called a model.

  Olderndirt

Why is that, OND? I don't think that your definition of "model" necessarily fits with another person's definition of same. It is still a "model" of something, whether it has an engine or not. You must be familiar with the term "shelf model", yes? It is by definition, a model of a vehicle. It is not required to have a certain amount of detail to be considered a legitimate model, in my opinion.

To be considered a model is not determined by the amount, or level of detail. If it does have an engine, but no wiring or plumbing, is it still a legitimate model? If I build a model of the Millennium Falcon, but I leave out the hyper drive unit, is it not still a model of the Millennium Falcon? If I build a model of a WWII aircraft, such as the Supermarine Spitfire, with no engine (which I have done more than once), is that not OK?

I think many of us would still like to see a model you have built. That is not a challenge, OND. It is just nice to see what other builders have done, engine, or no engine. Build on, everybody! And build whatever you want.

[Marty W]

Yeah, sorry Bob. I didn't mean to hijack your topic. I hope you get the engine figured out.

[Marty W]

Could it be a 318? (1960)

[Bob P.]

No problem guys. Thanks everyone for trying to help find an engine.

It looks like this engine request turned into a big discussion.
No big deal, I learned a lot about the Mopar engines from this post.

I have three engines coming in the mail.
I worked out a trade with Leftrurns75 and I'm getting an engine from John2 also.

Now I can build several Mopar powered race cars.

Bob

[Lefturns75]

Bob if your information source confirms that IS a 413, one thats not too bad is in the AMT 49 Mercury kit.  If you dont have one of those let me know and I can send you one of them. 

[Olderndirt]

Maybe that engine is a Plymouth 326 poly. They were pretty hot for their day. My grandparents had a '60 Dodge with a 318 poly in it, that was hot enough to light up the tires even after it was nearly worn out. The 326 Plymouth was said to be a lot hotter.

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